Mousetown, my own 73 CL350

It doesn't really matter as oil should always be above level of the hole.
If you really want to orientate it though, have it towards back of slider because angle of forks will make sure it's 'further down' into oil.
Honda doesn't give a spec but I tend to do oil level from top of tube, springs out fork compressed.
Start at 5.5" then remove oil half inch at a time to where it feels best.
On some bikes (older Triumph's and many MX) you will often end up around 7".
Before I had a fork oil height gauge, I used a syringe and small diameter tube (pretty much what the oil gauge is except it's stainless tube marked in inches and mm)
The higher the oil level, the less air is in forks so it acts as a rising rate spring (something very few people ever think about or even realise)
Good info that I could use on the Betor forks on the HD SS175, if I ever get to that project.
These are still assembled tubes, springs and damper rods. Just the one bottom allen bolt holds the whole shebang together (pic on post #338 above). Not sure I want to uncork these springs from the damper rods :unsure:. Honda does give 125-130cc dry refill spec. Mostly road work for this with my lightweight hinny.
 
Speaking of that, a couple of months ago I went out to the shop late one night. I flipped on the lights and spotted a mouse crossing the room! It's been about ten years since I had any mice out there.
To shorten the story I refreshed my "Tomcat" bait traps and now there are now not just one but two less mice in the shop.
Shortly thereafter I spotted another mouse in my garage. For that one I set out a spring trap baited with the classic, cheese, and about two hours later that mouse was deceased as well.
There are YouTube videos of 'Rollo the rat catcher' ;I want one of that dog's off-spring.
 
Speaking of that, a couple of months ago I went out to the shop late one night. I flipped on the lights and spotted a mouse crossing the room! It's been about ten years since I had any mice out there.
To shorten the story I refreshed my "Tomcat" bait traps and now there are now not just one but two less mice in the shop.
Shortly thereafter I spotted another mouse in my garage. For that one I set out a spring trap baited with the classic, cheese, and about two hours later that mouse was deceased as well.
The maintenance guys at the nursing home would re-use the sticky pads with a snip snip of their wire cutters. Not in front of the residents, of course. :poop:
 
The forks went back together easy with only the allen bolt, as I didn't remove the damper rod from the tubes or springs. The allen had it's copper seal washer so just a good rattle with the 18volt impact, no sealer. No leaks so far and I put 125ml/cc in each leg.
Even with the kerosene and infrared heaters, the garage is in the mid 60's so my hands got a good work out with the gaiter boots. The rubber got treated with the wet suit/scuba gear preservative. The inside bare metal (quite pitted) of the chrome fork ears just got a good swabbing with motor oil.

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The minor rust on the rear shock coils cleaned up with the scotchbrite wheels and got a rub with motor oil.

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Still lots of cleaning and detailing on other small parts but it's fun to mostly put things back on the bike.
I'm not sure how much I'm going to do on the wheels but time to get started on them.
 
How about that wet suit/scuba gear rubber preservative? Does it soften rubber parts that have dried-up?
Does it have a brand name;where can I purchase it ?
 
How about that wet suit/scuba gear rubber preservative? Does it soften rubber parts that have dried-up?
Does it have a brand name;where can I purchase it ?
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This bottle was given to me by 'Bill the Spook', who was the PO of Mr. Greenjeans, moved to Ukraine before all this.......yeah.

Softens up stuff some for sure but mostly preserves and does clean some too.
 
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This bottle was given to me by 'Bill the Spook', who was the PO of Mr. Greenjeans, moved to Ukraine before all this.......yeah.

Softens up stuff some for sure but mostly preserves and does clean some too.
I see.. The words 'maintenance' & other words seems to indicate that it's a good U.V. protectant?

Have you ever used a Wintergreen oil mix to soak old rubber parts,to get them pliable?
I have used a mix of hot water and Wintergreen oil and soaked old rubber parts and it helped temporarily.
I'm considering mixing the Wintergreen oil 50/50 with rubbing alcohol next time I use a solution..
 
I see.. The words 'maintenance' & other words seems to indicate that it's a good U.V. protectant?

Have you ever used a Wintergreen oil mix to soak old rubber parts,to get them pliable?
I have used a mix of hot water and Wintergreen oil and soaked old rubber parts and it helped temporarily.
I'm considering mixing the Wintergreen oil 50/50 with rubbing alcohol next time I use a solution..
I like the protectant because it lasts pretty good, not too shiny.

I've not done the wintergreen trick but know that the alcohol mix is the way to do it.
 
Wet suits and scuba gear aren't cheap so I'm sure those guys want the best protection for that equipment. I will try to find this or a similar product when this runs out. I haven't soaked anything in it, just wiped on and repeated a few times but it has a decent lasting effect.
 
Silly simple NLA parts drive me nuts and cause me to attempt tedious work arounds. I ordered a bag of 45mm internal C clips from amazon for probably less than $10 for 10 of them, stainless too. Unfortunately the original C clips for the centrifugal oil filters on 350's are only .8-.9mm thick (perhaps that's why I've encountered 2 broke ones now). These new clips are 1.5mm thick so I ground them thinner on my upside down belt sander. I held it with my little vice-grips and it did get hot, as you can see here, it's the one that is a bit discolored. Also the OEM broken one and some of the other new too thick ones are pictured atop my precision parts modification machine. :D
Maybe I can find a better way to thin these up, as I bet I'll need at least a couple more for all the 350's here.

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Now to order some 41x2mm Orings from McMaster Carr.
 
Silly simple NLA parts drive me nuts and cause me to attempt tedious work arounds. I ordered a bag of 45mm internal C clips from amazon for probably less than $10 for 10 of them, stainless too. Unfortunately the original C clips for the centrifugal oil filters on 350's are only .8-.9mm thick (perhaps that's why I've encountered 2 broke ones now). These new clips are 1.5mm thick so I ground them thinner on my upside down belt sander. I held it with my little vice-grips and it did get hot, as you can see here, it's the one that is a bit discolored. Also the OEM broken one and some of the other new too thick ones are pictured atop my precision parts modification machine. :D
Maybe I can find a better way to thin these up, as I bet I'll need at least a couple more for all the 350's here.

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Now to order some 41x2mm Orings from McMaster Carr.
If you are still in need of a genuine one let me know. I owe you for the seat stand stick you sent me a while back. You asked me to hold the c-clip for when you needed one. Is now the time?
 
If you are still in need of a genuine one let me know. I owe you for the seat stand stick you sent me a while back. You asked me to hold the c-clip for when you needed one. Is now the time?
Oh yes, I remember but I'd rather you hung onto it now, you never know when yours may croak and you'll need it. Besides, my custom repops are going fine and I do have some originals in at least a couple of these mounts here.
You did pay with a T-shirt order anyway. (y) IOU, if anything for all your generosity.
 
I'm taking a tip from Jensen and greasing my side cover gaskets with this thick teflon based grease, rubbed in real good. Unlike Jensen, I'm going to use grease on both sides instead of a sealer on one. We'll see if it works good. I figure I can always use a light coat of GasketCinch if it warrants it later.

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It's PD cold in the shop when it's in the 20's, so a few more painting jobs may take a while.
 
I don't want to be in my shop when it's 40°, much less 20°. :eek:

Nicely routed and clipped starter cable, as it should be.

If you grease both sides of your left crankcase cover gasket, what will you do to seal the stiff grommet around the alternator wiring?
 
I don't want to be in my shop when it's 40°, much less 20°. :eek:

Nicely routed and clipped starter cable, as it should be.

If you grease both sides of your left crankcase cover gasket, what will you do to seal the stiff grommet around the alternator wiring?
Hmmm, I hadn't really thought about the grommet, but it's still semi-pliable and fit pretty good so I'll just hope on that.
Thanks, the starter's been cleaned, painted and greased so I may as well do it right, again hoping that won't be a soon re-do.
Kerosene is $5 a gallon and even with it, only about 60 inside after burning a couple hours. Just enough to paint then cure over the heater.
 
I want to share a shout out to Kevin at ScramblerCycle (one of our supporting vendors) for applying the 10% discount to VHT members, even though I forgot to enter it on my recent order of some 350 stuff.
His prices are excellent to start with and shipping is fast.
 
The first and only time I ever greased a green gasket like that was on XS650 I rebuilt.
Had to visit wife's cousin in NH.
Drove there and back from central Florida, stayed about a week
About a pint of oil leaked out.
Never greased a gasket since.
Thanks for the warning. I will keep an eye on it now for sure.
 
Thanks for the warning. I will keep an eye on it now for sure.
I agree with PJ, I've never believed that putting some of the same basic petroleum-based content on a gasket that you actually want to seal another petroleum-based substance from leaking out of the engine made sense to me. I get the desire for the gaskets to come free easily, but if you want that you can actually use *GASP* a thin smear of silicone sealer on one side, it does the exact same thing and unless you use half a tube of it you won't have any oil passage issues.
 
The deed is done, so I can at least be honest about any unintended consequences going forward.
Hey, many people do it and get away with it, and if that works for them then fine. But I wouldn't ever recommend it to anyone myself, it just seems counterproductive and backyard-ish to me as I saw many completely half-ass 'mechanics' do it while I was growing up. And, I learned a lot from my father and he never did it either, so that's why I've always felt strongly about it. Our 'buddies' under the Texas shadetree also do it, imagine that.
 
Hey, many people do it and get away with it, and if that works for them then fine. But I wouldn't ever recommend it to anyone myself, it just seems counterproductive and backyard-ish to me as I saw many completely half-ass 'mechanics' do it while I was growing up. And, I learned a lot from my father and he never did it either, so that's why I've always felt strongly about it. Our 'buddies' under the Texas shadetree also do it, imagine that.
If it doesn't leak, I won't crow about it. I wouldn't want to contribute to anyone picking up bad habits. :D
 
I think this is kind of unusual. The rim wall is swollen to the inside at the tire bead edge. Absolutely no sign of an impact or flat spot. I haven't put the wheel in the stand yet but just rolling it on the floor, it's pretty true.
I think it's actually a factory defect that went undetected.
I will just use the vise to squeeze it back to shape, I doubt it will amount to any real strength compromise. Funny thing is that the tire had been replaced at some point. I guess no one noticed or cared.

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Waiting for the goodie box from Scrambler to arrive. I splurged this time and bought new spokes, at least for the rear (he was out of front CL spokes 19").
I'll get some other stuff from 4into1 and front spokes there.
 
Waiting for the goodie box from Scrambler to arrive. I splurged this time and bought new spokes
What, do you think it's Christmas or something? Is there a Santa Claus? The grease on the gasket thing, I'm very tempted to try it after the horror of removing the 40 year old cylinder gasket's becoming one with the metal. I've still got the gasket set for my 400 from Kevin at ScrambleCycle, it's going to come in handy. It was the best set with best price on ebay at the time, didn't know I was buying from a VHT crew member. I see they are just across the border from me off Hwy 8. That's like route 66 but in WI(God's Country). Someday I'm gonna ride my bike on Hwy 8 and stop in.
 
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What, do you think it's Christmas or something? Is there a Santa Claus? The grease on the gasket thing, I'm very tempted to try it after the horror of removing the 40 year old cylinder gasket's becoming one with the metal. I've still got the gasket set for my 400 from Kevin at ScrambleCycle, it's going to come in handy. It was the best set with best price on ebay at the time, didn't know I was buying from a VHT crew member. I see they are just across the border from me off Hwy 8. That's like route 66 but in WI(God's Country). Someday I'm gonna ride my bike on Hwy 8 and stop in.
Yeah, to me, everyday is Christmas.
Kevin's stuff came and it's good. I squeezed out the rim bulge and threw it in the stand to see if it's gonna true up ok. It is. I then thought I'd clean the hubs good so I unlaced it. I could clean the old spokes but I now have an option.

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Seems everyone is out of the front spokes for the 19" CL wheel. They are 165-165.5mm and I found a great deal on amazon for CT90 front or rear for $20. They may be lighter gauge but we'll see and I got some CT90's to do someday, if they don't work.



And of course, I forgot to get more rim strips, I always forget those.
 
I think this is kind of unusual. The rim wall is swollen to the inside at the tire bead edge. Absolutely no sign of an impact or flat spot. I haven't put the wheel in the stand yet but just rolling it on the floor, it's pretty true.
I think it's actually a factory defect that went undetected.
I will just use the vise to squeeze it back to shape, I doubt it will amount to any real strength compromise. Funny thing is that the tire had been replaced at some point. I guess no one noticed or cared.

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Waiting for the goodie box from Scrambler to arrive. I splurged this time and bought new spokes, at least for the rear (he was out of front CL spokes 19").
I'll get some other stuff from 4into1 and front spokes there.
The rim had some water(bottom)inside it that froze over the Winter.
 
The rim had some water(bottom)inside it that froze over the Winter.
Could be that was it. Usually I can hear rust dust inside as you turn the wheel, from the water that might have entered, but this rim had no loose stuff inside that made any noise. Ice damage is probably more common than defects but who knows.
This poor bike has had it's share of weird issues, between mice and ice.
 
This photo is my Christmas gift because I am happy to see someone else keeps their shop as “organized” as I tend to keep mine! 😁
Additionally and for the record, I use grease on both sides of my gaskets because I don’t like having to spend time scraping surfaces if I don’t have to. I don’t have problems with leaks, don’t care who else does or doesn’t do it, and I am not planning to change my ways. ✌️
 
This photo is my Christmas gift because I am happy to see someone else keeps their shop as “organized” as I tend to keep mine! 😁
Yours is a work in progress, constantly evolving. Mine is just a mess in progress, evolving from one mess to another as needed.
I don’t have problems with leaks, don’t care who else does or doesn’t do it, and I am not planning to change my ways. ✌️
FINE.

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You got that rim looking nice! I don't see any rust like the first pic. Looking at the bulge it appears this rim just has folded over rim(not a solid metal). I don't know how they would do that at the factory, maybe that is one reason they went to the aluminum rims in later bikes. If it is a folded over formed loop, is it welded or somehow attached on the inside?
 
If it is a folded over formed loop, is it welded or somehow attached on the inside?
This video shows rims being manufactured by Honda, can't recall how far into it but it's an interesting watch anyway of you haven't yet seen it.

 
You got that rim looking nice! I don't see any rust like the first pic. Looking at the bulge it appears this rim just has folded over rim(not a solid metal). I don't know how they would do that at the factory, maybe that is one reason they went to the aluminum rims in later bikes. If it is a folded over formed loop, is it welded or somehow attached on the inside?
The bead walls are hollow because steel rims start out as tubing and gets squeezed with rollers into it's cross section shape. They all are butt welded after forming into a circle, as are aluminum alloy rims but they are extruded.

I prefer worn out wire brush drill wheels, 1/4" bristles bite that rust clean from the metal or what's left of the chrome inside. Rub down with motor oil and good to go.
 
I can see that they would butt weld it to join the circle, I was curious about the folded over rim and if they weld or fix it to the inside. Like maybe they do spot welds. The edge of the metal on the bulge. And maybe the bulge spot had some not so good spot welds. Or maybe they don't spot weld and it is just strong enough folded over. With using tubed tires hopefully that rim condition is not critical, at least it doesn't have to hold air. Glad you got the bulge out, Your bike with be happier too, even if it is just inside rim cosmetics. Your old worn wire brush wheels have served you well. I religiously walk around the garage with a old tin cup with toothbrush with a wee mix of motor oil and tranny fluid. And I proudly say that my garage is messier than any! Just lucky I got a garage at this point. Lot to be thankful for as we enter Y2024!
 
I can see that they would butt weld it to join the circle, I was curious about the folded over rim and if they weld or fix it to the inside. Like maybe they do spot welds. The edge of the metal on the bulge. And maybe the bulge spot had some not so good spot welds. Or maybe they don't spot weld and it is just strong enough folded over. With using tubed tires hopefully that rim condition is not critical, at least it doesn't have to hold air. Glad you got the bulge out, Your bike with be happier too, even if it is just inside rim cosmetics. Your old worn wire brush wheels have served you well. I religiously walk around the garage with a old tin cup with toothbrush with a wee mix of motor oil and tranny fluid. And I proudly say that my garage is messier than any! Just lucky I got a garage at this point. Lot to be thankful for as we enter Y2024!
I think it's like one continuous spot weld next to the bead corner all the way around. Often there are a hole or two on cheap rims (like bicycles) to let the expanded air from the heat out, from the manufacturing process, that must get closed up on Honda rims. Maybe this one had a missing inch or so of the running spot weld on the one side and the pressure caused the bulge. This is all suppositional manufacturing archeology. It is fun to speculate and pretend I actually know something. :unsure:

You said it brother, there ain't enough ink to write all the thank you's I got. As far as the mess and filth goes, we know that it all will turn to dust eventually, I'm just helping the process along. Since it's all a gift and knowing you'd be comfortable here, there's an open invitation anytime.
 
Broke out the elbow grease and the nylon bristle wheels to get the hub grooves clean. The little pockets at the cross bridges needed the little steel straight brushes. I think I'll try the aircraft stripper on the factory polished and clear coated drive side areas.
The plan is to use VHT caliper clear coat on the center grooved area and buff and polish the outer flanges.

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"I prefer worn out wire brush drill wheels, 1/4" bristles bite that rust clean from the metal or what's left of the chrome inside. Rub down with motor oil and good to go."


Ballbearian, I assume you've used this approach before? As far as oil is concerned... I was thinking of something similar on my rims, but was afraid of using a petroleum based product, for fear of swelling the rubber
 
"I prefer worn out wire brush drill wheels, 1/4" bristles bite that rust clean from the metal or what's left of the chrome inside. Rub down with motor oil and good to go."


Ballbearian, I assume you've used this approach before? As far as oil is concerned... I was thinking of something similar on my rims, but was afraid of using a petroleum based product, for fear of swelling the rubber
Good point. I just rub it in the really pitted areas with my finger then wipe it off with paper towels. A better solution would be to brush on that silver sealer stuff some call Hammerite. I'll admit, I've just never taken that next step.
 
Good point. I just rub it in the really pitted areas with my finger then wipe it off with paper towels. A better solution would be to brush on that silver sealer stuff some call Hammerite. I'll admit, I've just never taken that next step.
Copy. Thanks👍
 
I would too if I hadn't had to doff a dozen pair everyday for 10 years working at a nursing home. It's a personal revenge thing, I guess. Besides, we didn't even have gloves at the shop parts washer in the early '70's, so I'm either a dead man walking or impervious.
 
The battle of the bulge ended pretty well, I think. (Pic for the curious) And I must say, I think kbongos had it right, not a tube, but flat and folded over. You can see two welded lap seams just inside where the tire bead would sit.

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Aircraft stripper worked pretty good on the yellowed clear coat that still showed the polished surface under it. Pics to follow of it's 'done' state. The front hub may be beyond that, as it has that rough gray oxidation, not much clear coat left so it will have to be sanded.
Here is the 'as found' chrome on the rim outer. Once the wheel bristles lay over and a light touch is used there is no appreciable scratching using the drill. The inside was another story and required leaning into the sharp stubby bristles to get the thick rust off and down to clean metal. Some red dust clouds and a half hour later, it's clean and I'm pooped.

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