PLEASE DO NOT use videos for repair directions

^^^Cool... but Ichiban Moto apparently isn't good at proofreading (or it was by design) LOL
 
ancientdad said:
TBH, I've never watched one of them so I didn't catch the likely intent, but it makes sense!
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Dude... how have you made it this far without the helpful Ichiban Moto videos? The man is a genius and has all the sophisticated tools!
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Actually, I kind of like the idea of using a piece of tubing to turn the valve stem, I hate fussing around with suction cups that won't stay in place. The part about using the drill motor to turn things is pretty lame. I wonder if he thinks it's going to run decently with the valve seats 1/8th in an inch wide.
 
Hey, in lieu of a proper valve lapping stick I've used tubing as well, but done properly between my palms as I would with the lapping stick. Yeah, it's the drill that changes everything, and no amount of justification about doing it gently, blah blah blah, makes it okay to spin the valve in one direction
 
I don’t think that guy would have any problem with the suction cups if the valve face was actually clean. Could always use a little oil or grease to get better suction.
 
Nick_Brox said:
I don’t think that guy would have any problem with the suction cups if the valve face was actually clean. Could always use a little oil or grease to get better suction.
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I think I have the same suction sticks and had problems to make them stay in place as well. My 450 valves have the little dimples which makes it hard for the suction cups to stick. In the end it worked somehow because I was patient. I guess most people don't realize that it's a skill you need to practice.
 
FrisianWheel said:
I guess most people don't realize that it's a skill you need to practice.
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Trouble is, we're in the instant gratification age where YouTube videos are how people learn because they don't want to be bothered by having to actually read something instructional, followed by the lack of patience caused by the ADHD so many suffer from these days because of the constant multiple information sources flying at them from all (social media) directions so they can't focus for longer than it takes to half-ass the job
 
The issue's with these advices is that the person in the video can not be hold (financially) responsible for the damage on the bike. As long as anyone can give any advice without consequences, it will getting worse.
 
jensen said:
The issue's with these advices is that the person in the video can not be hold (financially) responsible for the damage on the bike. As long as anyone can give any advice without consequences, it will getting worse.
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Yes, from cooking to mechanical work, everyone is an expert these days and they all want you to know it.
 
1969 CL350 said:
My free advice is worth every penny you paid for it.
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Or less depending on the recipient, as someone took issue to me pointing out the truth on the "advice" in the starter clutch repair video on the FB 450 group...

Me:
Driving a chisel between mating surfaces on any engine is not good, and he's trying to save a little work by not removing the front sprocket cover so you bend a brittle wiring harness 180° to lay the cover on the footpeg while risking damage to the stator and neutral switch wiring, and also the hardened grommet around the wiring coming out of the cover. Sometimes doing it the right way takes a little longer but is the smarter way.

Me:
And at the 10:34 mark... "goop the cover up". I don't see the use of any gasket, I sure hope he doesn't just Hondabond the cover without one.

Me:
And finally, he clearly isn't thinking about how long it takes for oil flow to get to the top end, the way he immediately starts revving it well beyond 3000 rpm stone cold.

Justice Schroeder:
He’s also showing guys that don’t know what they’re doing how to down and dirty get it done and if you would like to take your ugly comment somewhere else I would appreciate it

Me:
If you don't care about doing the job correctly or treating the top end of your 450 with care, then that's your choice.
 
I saw that, my fingers were itching to respond, but it would only make things worse, FB is only for contacts, not for advice. On the 250 / 305 group on FB it's a little bit better, probably because there isn't a decent forum any more. A forum is a channel to get and give advice, but even then I guess only 10%-20% of the members are giving advice, the rest only want to get advice (or cheap parts).
 
jensen said:
I saw that, my fingers were itching to respond, but it would only make things worse, FB is only for contacts, not for advice. On the 250 / 305 group on FB it's a little bit better, probably because there isn't a decent forum any more. A forum is a channel to get and give advice, but even then I guess only 10%-20% of the members are giving advice, the rest only want to get advice (or cheap parts).
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I haven't given much advice since joining that group, but to let someone else give bad advice without mentioning what part of the advice isn't good would not be the right thing to do in my opinion, so I had to point it out. The negative response is from a young guy who is a close friend of the "A Motorcycle Nut" guy. And you're right, so many forum members only come around for cheap parts.
 
jensen said:
I saw that, my fingers were itching to respond, but it would only make things worse, FB is only for contacts, not for advice.
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You hit the nail on the head with this statement. A typical FB post for a guy looking for simple advice would be 20 different responses of the “right” way to do something, 10 more saying why all the previous advice is wrong, then another 5 responses of guys showing a picture of the bike they have that is the same model as the OP. All the while this “advice” consists of short, single sentence responses addressing the problem. Oh and at the end of all this there will be one last guy proclaiming that this is why he “loves this FB group because it is so helpful”.
Total, utter madness!:wacky:
Thank goodness for a place like VHT!
 
FrisianWheel said:
"...5 guys showing a picture of their bike that is the same model as the OP..." [emoji1787]
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And the crazy part about it is he's absolutely correct, he described pretty much how it usually goes on FB... lots of conversation, few correct answers and a bunch of others chiming in for the wrong reasons.
 
Thank goodness for a place like VHT!
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Yes, for the most Honda twins indeed, unfortunately the 250 / 305 forum, the knowledgeable honda305 site was a very nice place, but long gone....
On VHT, the 250 / 305 section is almost empty, and if there is a post, it's probably posted in the wrong place....

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ancientdad said:
Trouble is, we're in the instant gratification age where YouTube videos are how people learn because they don't want to be bothered by having to actually read something instructional, followed by the lack of patience caused by the ADHD so many suffer from these days because of the constant multiple information sources flying at them from all (social media) directions so they can't focus for longer than it takes to half-ass the job
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Not saying you’re wrong here, but actually having ADHD causes me to obsess over details, sometimes watching multiple videos and reading everything I can find on a subject. Almost to the point that I will get overwhelmed and not be able to start.

We do have an instant gratification society though.
 
Nick_Brox said:
We do have an instant gratification society though.
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Yes, and it's evolved to a higher level in recent years with all the technology advancements which isn't helping in so many ways. I'm convinced that people's impatience behind the wheel is directly related to lots of those elevated levels, like immediate answers from the internet, high tech fast cars that make people itch to go faster all the time which probably contributes to the epidemic of tailgating, stressful jobs and times that contribute to road rage in part caused by all the tailgating, nav systems in practically every vehicle that reduces the need to think about where you're going... it's cumulative and to some extent, the times may have something to do with some of the increase in ADHD cases. Just my thoughts
 
jensen said:
Yes, for the most Honda twins indeed, unfortunately the 250 / 305 forum, the knowledgeable honda305 site was a very nice place, but long gone....
On VHT, the 250 / 305 section is almost empty, and if there is a post, it's probably posted in the wrong place....

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While those bikes may be lost on here for now, they are not forgotten. As long as we have this place, this archive of knowledge, there is hope! I for one have a couple of 305’s deep in the stable just waiting for their day. As of right now I am currently busy with 450’s however. Keep the dream alive, one day, one bike at a time. Thanks to all that keep the Honda twin flame burning!
 
ancientdad said:
Yes, and it's evolved to a higher level in recent years with all the technology advancements which isn't helping in so many ways. it's cumulative and to some extent, the times may have something to do with some of the increase in ADHD cases. Just my thoughts
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Not to derail too much, but ADHD is an inherited trait caused by lack of dopamine production in the brain. I agree that current technology may have exacerbated the problem, but many people just went untreated because of limited understanding.
 
Nick_Brox said:
Not to derail too much, but ADHD is an inherited trait caused by lack of dopamine production in the brain. I agree that current technology may have exacerbated the problem, but many people just went untreated because of limited understanding.
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I knew there was talk of a cause as more knowledge has been accumulated on the condition, but I did not know what it was related to. Back in a simpler era of far less information flying at us at speed and a much slower paced lifestyle, the exacerbation of it probably wouldn't have been nearly as prevalent
 
ancientdad said:
I knew there was talk of a cause as more knowledge has been accumulated on the condition, but I did not know what it was related to. Back in a simpler era of far less information flying at us at speed and a much slower paced lifestyle, the exacerbation of it probably wouldn't have been nearly as prevalent
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Yeah it definitely doesn’t help that we are addicted to social media as a society. Everything is fairly rapid as well. I finally got diagnosed this year at nearly 30 yrs old and it was pretty eye opening. People with ADHD have a tendency to take big risks or self-medicate to get that dopamine rush, and taking prescribed stimulants for the first time was a bit mind-blowing. The have the opposite effect on me, and I suddenly realized that my dependence on coffee and energy drinks probably stemmed from the ADHD. I also believe that my dad had it. He ended up addicted to uppers and ultimately lost his life.
 
Nick_Brox said:
Yeah it definitely doesn’t help that we are addicted to social media as a society. Everything is fairly rapid as well. I finally got diagnosed this year at nearly 30 yrs old and it was pretty eye opening. People with ADHD have a tendency to take big risks or self-medicate to get that dopamine rush, and taking prescribed stimulants for the first time was a bit mind-blowing. The have the opposite effect on me, and I suddenly realized that my dependence on coffee and energy drinks probably stemmed from the ADHD. I also believe that my dad had it. He ended up addicted to uppers and ultimately lost his life.
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Sorry to hear about your Dad. I must have had a mild case of it when I was young, I was always busy in class in elementary school, tapping my fingers and feet and I've always been more talkative than most, but because of the times I was never prescribed anything. My daughter has it along with some level of depression and some level of anxiety issues too, and I'm convinced that her upbringing beyond age 4 when I divorced her mother had an affect on it as well because of the reasons I left her mother. I still have some aspects of it myself, I live with constant activity going on in my head - if not random thoughts flying around then always a song going on, usually the last song I heard either on TV or the radio, even the next day. It certainly explains the reason my hands and feet were so busy when I was a kid. Probably explains why I drink beer in the evenings... slow things down a bit. So maybe that also explains why we have so many young people today doing extreme sports, way over the top compared to the limits most used to stop at - driven to an extent by ADHD. I mean, look at how moto-x and BMX and motocross itself has changed in the last 20 years... first a backflip was considered extreme, now they're doing triple backflips
 
jensen said:
Yes, for the most Honda twins indeed, unfortunately the 250 / 305 forum, the knowledgeable honda305 site was a very nice place, but long gone....
On VHT, the 250 / 305 section is almost empty, and if there is a post, it's probably posted in the wrong place....
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Agreed. The Honda305 forum, although still there, rarely has any new posts. The epidemic of spam posts drove away many of the regular contributors, so there is seldom an interesting post. Hopefully the 250/305 section here on VHT will pick up some steam. I have a few 305s waiting in the wings right now...
 
jensen said:
Hi,

I can't reach the site, it's forbidden (my server says so).

Jensen
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I assume you mean honda305.com. I just went there, it's up. Gunnar in Baku had the same response (forbidden) when VHT was down not long ago and he couldn't reach it
 
I haven't had any issues getting to the honda305.com site or logging in, but it does seem that others have had some issues with that. I'm using Chrome on a Macbook.
 
jensen said:
The issue's with these advices is that the person in the video can not be hold (financially) responsible for the damage on the bike. As long as anyone can give any advice without consequences, it will getting worse.
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That is one incredibly stupid statement.

Can everyone hold you financially responsible if you post advise on here that causes damage to a bike?

YouTube is free - you get what you pay for.
 
Well, youtube is free indeed, and after you followed directions from such a video, and damage your bike in a way you have to replace the damaged parts, the consequences are that you have to pay for your parts (or sell the bike and scam somebody else).

And no, that's why I hardly give suggestions, not advices.
 
OK don't hate me here but I did find a YT channel, Saturday's Wrench, that's 30-something videos of some guy's CB350. I'll be up front - I have not watched all these episodes, and am in no way qualified to know if it's any good or not. I did watch episode 19 and 20, and I thought it was pretty informative on some of the innards and how it all fits together, and some things to look for. Also watched whichever one it was about splitting cases and not a chisel in sight. I think I did see a Clymer though! It does seem to be pretty thorough - he does have a mechanic/machinist do much of the work here and he just chronicles it with a pretty nice camera.

How I take apart and put together my 350 is from the FSM and you all because I have no prior experience. Because of that I feel there is something to be said for seeing things move in real time to understand how the transmission moves, etc when you've never seen it before. I just take it with a grain of salt, go slow, and if it's not working try not to go nuclear on the parts.
 
Chunta said:
OK don't hate me here but I did find a YT channel, Saturday's Wrench, that's 30-something videos of some guy's CB350. I'll be up front - I have not watched all these episodes, and am in no way qualified to know if it's any good or not. I did watch episode 19 and 20, and I thought it was pretty informative on some of the innards and how it all fits together, and some things to look for. Also watched whichever one it was about splitting cases and not a chisel in sight. I think I did see a Clymer though! It does seem to be pretty thorough - he does have a mechanic/machinist do much of the work here and he just chronicles it with a pretty nice camera.

How I take apart and put together my 350 is from the FSM and you all because I have no prior experience. Because of that I feel there is something to be said for seeing things move in real time to understand how the transmission moves, etc when you've never seen it before. I just take it with a grain of salt, go slow, and if it's not working try not to go nuclear on the parts.
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Your last paragraph makes the most sense and is the best way to go because of the unlimited advice and explanations you can get here along with pictures, complete with illustrations in many cases. I've watched a few of Saturday's Wrench's videos and you're right, he has a mechanic involved who, best I can tell from what little I've seen, doesn't take the shortcuts like leaving the front sprocket cover on when doing a starter clutch rebuild and then saying something like "let's goop up the cover" when it's time to put it back together with no gasket in sight (A Motorcycle Nut, you know who you are). My biggest dislike for most of these videos is the BS showboating of whoever is speaking to the camera in so many cases. No, we don't want boring monotone, but we don't need a used car salesman either.
 
ancientdad said:
Your last paragraph makes the most sense and is the best way to go because of the unlimited advice and explanations you can get here along with pictures, complete with illustrations in many cases. I've watched a few of Saturday's Wrench's videos and you're right, he has a mechanic involved who, best I can tell from what little I've seen, doesn't take the shortcuts like leaving the front sprocket cover on when doing a starter clutch rebuild and then saying something like "let's goop up the cover" when it's time to put it back together with no gasket in sight (A Motorcycle Nut, you know who you are). My biggest dislike for most of these videos is the BS showboating of whoever is speaking to the camera in so many cases. No, we don't want boring monotone, but we don't need a used car salesman either.
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That’s a great idea for the next Tshirt you know. VHT logo on the front and “Let’s goop up the cover!” in a nice script on the back. Maybe a crossed chisel-and-Phillips head screwdriver logo somewhere in there.

I’m on to something here, I just know it.


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If it ever happens, it has to be designed to ensure it is recognized as total sarcasm. And you're right, am image of a crossed chisel and Phillips screwdriver (not JIS) would be appropriate! Or a caulking gun of red RTV dripping on and over the edge of a gasket...
 
...And that was when the vast resources of the official VHT graphics design team were suddenly thrust into action! :twisted:
 
So it appears they're learning some things

Since it's sometimes too disgusting to watch enough of a those guys in Houston video to know any more than any obvious bad practices, it's easy to miss when they actually mention something smart and (mostly) correct. Of course, there's always a bit left out of the story but the most intelligent part is there. This is during the engine removal prep on a DOHC 450, and I'd be quite surprised if the engine didn't suffer any damage as a result. They mention that the carbs definitely need to be rebuilt, when in fact it's quite common for the carbs to do that while still in normal working order. Simple solution? They do mention it, but anyone who has been around here for any length of time already knows... turn off the petcock when you turn off the key (if not sooner) and be sure your petcock actually shuts off as well (sometimes they seep fuel even when off and this fuel-dilution didn't happen in 10 minutes, it took quite a while to get that bad).
 
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