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    Black Friday - a red 1965 CB160

    12ozPBR named it, Black Friday. A curious name for a red bike. I spotted the CL listing and posted it here on VHT, from the response I was persuaded into calling the seller. I offered $1/cc thanks to 66Sprint instead of the $200 asking price and got a yes right away. I'm not sure if it was Bob's first bike, but he bought it from a friend in 66. His friend had some trouble with it and had it overbored, no other info on that. Bob had a KZ650 later on, that's what the chrome fender in the photo was from. He bought this house in 1990 and disassembled the 160 just enough to get it downstairs into the surprisingly warm and dry basement. The bike appears to be 100% complete. I'll be meeting up with Bob later to pick up the Owner's manual and keys, he hasn't located a title yet, I'm optimistic but I can mail away to Vermont for a plate and valid registration. Bikes under 300cc don't require law enforcement vin# verification so one less step.
    I'm about to unload it at storage and get some photos of the condition.

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    Nice, and with a story like that about its background you're probably going to come out really well on this one.

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    Nice find there Alan, $1/cc is my rule for anything that doesn't run and less for questionable condition.
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    He's selling the house for about a half million dollars, so finding a good home for it was probably more important to him than getting $200 for the bike, he'd have taken less I'm sure.


    But on to the fun part, let's see what I've got here.
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    Hooray for you and Black Friday!
    1969 K2 CB450
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan F. View Post
    But on to the fun part, let's see what I've got here.
    Unfortunately the single entry for the CB160 in the Honda ID Guide covers all years from '65 to '69

    https://www.vintagehondatwins.com/fo...ull=1#post3867

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    great work bro! that is a really nice pile of CB160 you have there, a diamond in the rough i would say. it looks like a sweet little bike!

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    Thanks for some reason I couldn't pass this one up, maybe it'll turn out ok.

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    '65 CB160 https://tinyurl.com/Black-Friday-a-red-65-CB160
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    The tank covers may clean up with a product to wash that surface? rust off.

    Those pipes look good Alan;you may be able to get fresh baffles also.

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    '65 CB160 https://tinyurl.com/Black-Friday-a-red-65-CB160
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    A little rough, but with some cleanup and paint it could look decent. The chrome toaster panels on the tank should clean up with Evaporust but there might be some remaining pits, though hard to tell for sure from the pics

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    Baffles you say?

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    Yes, I'm wondering about which product to use. Evaporust, MetalRescue or even Phosphoric Acid. Different members on a few forums swear by each of these.

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    Nice project bike !
    Good to see the baffles too.
    I used vinegar,but it flash-rusted.
    Evaporust was great and seemed to flash-rust the least,imo.
    I learned when I used it that if I removed the parts as soon as the surface(only?)rust was removed,that was best.I found if I left the parts in for an extended period with heat,it would get deeper to cause more pitting,which I didn't prefer on some parts.

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    Thanks, I think the PO Bob had a plan that didn't play out for this bike.

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    I'm pleased for you that the bike looks like 99% of the original parts are there

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    Thank you. Yes I've use vinegar before too but followed it with a quick DIY zinc electroplate to keep rust away for good. I'm not going that route with this bike though, I'm just hoping to treat the existing rust, buff the existing paint, and replace as little as possible otherwise.

    My goal is to have a Super Sport as Mr. Honda intended, no personal vision with this one.

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    Starting to look like you got pretty lucky, lots of parts seem to be in more than serviceable shape.

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    Thanks AD, I've been thinking about what needs replacing, and it's just consumables for now.

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    The rear rack will get cleaned up with the rest of the rusty parts, then it's up for offers.

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    Engine seems free of damage, doesn't seem to leak and is full of clean oil.

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    Rims are a little pitted but might clean up, I'll know more when the (probably 2nd set) tires are removed. Spokes are in great shape with just a few spots to clean up. Everything else has some scratches, fading and spots of rust here and there, but pretty good shape in general. Looks like someone swapped out to Scrambler bars way back when, I prefer them.
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    Wow, looks like a lot of work but everything seems to be there and not in terrible condition
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    I've been fooled by clean oil before, so be careful. Oil that's been standing still, undisturbed for a long time, lets all the crud in it settle to the bottom of the crankcase. Most of that crap is pretty stuck together, but it is there and can get moving again. And the oil itself may have a fair amount of water under it. Dump it all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan F. View Post
    12ozPBR named it, Black Friday. A curious name for a red bike. I spotted the CL listing and posted it here on VHT, from the response I was persuaded into calling the seller. I offered $1/cc thanks to 66Sprint instead of the $200 asking price and got a yes right away. I'm not sure if it was Bob's first bike, but he bought it from a friend in 66. His friend had some trouble with it and had it overbored, no other info on that. Bob had a KZ650 later on, that's what the chrome fender in the photo was from. He bought this house in 1990 and disassembled the 160 just enough to get it downstairs into the surprisingly warm and dry basement. The bike appears to be 100% complete. I'll be meeting up with Bob later to pick up the Owner's manual and keys, he hasn't located a title yet, I'm optimistic but I can mail away to Vermont for a plate and valid registration. Bikes under 300cc don't require law enforcement vin# verification.
    I'm about to unload it at storage and get some photos of the condition.

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    That chrome rear fender looks to be from a ‘71 or later CB/CL350, not a Kawasaki.

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    I asked him directly if it was from a Honda 350, it even had the same tire pressure label Honda uses.

    But it had a dent, so I left it for him to get rid of.

    Edit: I just googled both fenders, you're right. I wonder what else he told me was wrong?
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    That's what I thought about that fender, I mentioned it in your other thread about the find. He was probably just mistaken, from the looks of what you got as the bike itself it doesn't look like there are many other falsehoods

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan F. View Post
    Rims are a little pitted but might clean up, I'll know more when the (probably 2nd set) tires are removed. Spokes are in great shape with just a few spots to clean up. Everything else has some scratches, fading and spots of rust here and there, but pretty good shape in general. Looks like someone swapped out to Scrambler bars way back when, I prefer them.
    This is a great score, congrats. Here's to hoping a little clean up and assembly and it'll fire up.

    Re the bars: I've had two CB160s that had this type of bars. I always wondered if it was an option on the CBs or if POs actually did swap them out. Anyone know for certain?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarnivorousChicken View Post
    This is a great score, congrats. Here's to hoping a little clean up and assembly and it'll fire up.

    Re the bars: I've had two CB160s that had this type of bars. I always wondered if it was an option on the CBs or if POs actually did swap them out. Anyone know for certain?
    I don't know for certain, but I can tell you that every CB (that had a CL brother) that I assembled out of the crate back in the day (CB100/125/175/200/350/360/450) came with CB bars and Honda wasn't in the habit of offering options when bikes were ordered AFAIK

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    I guess I'll start bookmarking control cable sources as I find them. I'm thinking that I should go with the gray cables since its the first thing people see. Grips, peg rubbers, kick and shift rubbers too should all be replaced too.

    But I'm going with modern tires.
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    Nice find! You'll be busy for a month or two with this and I'm thinking it will be solid. Are you going to try to run it or just take the engine apart and do a light overhaul?
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    Awesome find...I'll bet you were awake 1/2 the night with excitement thinking about your new toy. (I haven't had a good nights sleep since I scored my Black Bomber over a month ago!!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by CarnivorousChicken View Post
    This is a great score, congrats. Here's to hoping a little clean up and assembly and it'll fire up.

    Re the bars: I've had two CB160s that had this type of bars. I always wondered if it was an option on the CBs or if POs actually did swap them out. Anyone know for certain?
    They always came out of the crate with the same bars, you could bolt on what you liked, it not Honda parts there was the aftermarket with literally dozens of choices from $12.95 on up.
    '66 CL160
    '66 CB160
    '67 CL77
    '79 XS650
    '69 T100R
    '68 TR6R
    '69 T120R
    '72 750 Commando

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    100% agree with Tom and Mike....
    However, the slightly higher CL style bars seem to have been an ergonomic choice for the "average" US owner's height, preferred riding position, and style,
    so not surprising it might have been a common swap......Just in case, I would obtain CL cables rather than CB ones if you're keeping those bars.....
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