PLEASE DO NOT use videos for repair directions

[ancientdad]

The most dangerous thing in my career has always been a technician that thinks they know what they’re doing.

Yes, with the emphasis on the word in bold, for sure.

And then there's that statement made long ago in a TV show... "don't think - don't even let your mind wander... it's too small to be out by itself"

[FrisianWheel]

I've wrote a comment on one of the CMC videos a while ago. I was recommending safety googles for a girl who broke a drill right in front of her face and said that it's probably not a good idea to just pull a DOHC cam follower eccentric out of the engine when you don't do a top end rebuild. The comment got deleted.
I have no problem with wrenching vlogs in which people make mistakes but don't pretend they know everything but it almost hurts to see someone holding a master class about how to grind off the DOHC eccentric lock nut.

[ancientdad]

Another submission from the so-called "experts". I guess they like vintage Honda twins but still don't think the factory knew what they were doing when they designed and built them. Amazing.

https://support.common-motor.com/hc/...-CL450-CB500T-

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[76Twin]

I saw this on Instagram and HAD to comment LOL

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[66Sprint]

Another submission from the so-called "experts". I guess they like vintage Honda twins but still don't think the factory knew what they were doing when they designed and built them. Amazing.

https://support.common-motor.com/hc/...-CL450-CB500T-

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I can't comment as I have recommended .002" so those inexperienced with "feeler" gauges err on the safe side if they get a "tight".002"......
I set mine at .0015" as that size gauge is widely available in US spec sets, and very close to spec.......

[ancientdad]

Setting them at .002" as opposed to .0015, or even .0012, isn't nearly as much as just saying they need that much more than factory spec to set them at .003". They have the FSMs on their own website, guess they know better. I suppose they think it will improve cam lobe and follower life or something

[jensen]

With a freshly rebuild 450 it's wise to have the gap slightly wider, but after a few heat cycles follow the FSM's.

On FB it's even worse, I commented on a CB400F group, some didn't like the answers and started to yell at me. The next thing for me was unsubscribe ASAP.

[LongDistanceRider]

With a freshly rebuild 450 it's wise to have the gap slightly wider, but after a few heat cycles follow the FSM's.

On FB it's even worse, I commented on a CB400F group, some didn't like the answers and started to yell at me. The next thing for me was unsubscribe ASAP.

Ah, you got the FB Certified Master Mechanics responding. There's all sort of FB Certified experts and categories floating around.

[76Twin]

I am soooo glad I got banned from FB all those years ago and decided to not look back.

[12ozPBR]

Seems like an appropriate time to present this. Nothing like earning your stripes the old fashioned way!
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[rscottp]

^^^^^^That's funny^^^^^^

[ancientdad]

Seems like an appropriate time to present this. Nothing like earning your stripes the old fashioned way!

Gotta save that one for future use... LOL

[76Twin]

I'm sorry but I'm stealing that. LMAO

[76Twin]

https://www.instagram.com/p/CIYnuqSnCYS/

[ancientdad]

https://www.instagram.com/p/CIYnuqSnCYS/

LMAO #gosellcrazysomewhereelesewereallstockeduphere

[1969 CL350]

I have an even better certification...lol

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[ancientdad]

^^^Cool... but Ichiban Moto apparently isn't good at proofreading (or it was by design) LOL

[1969 CL350]

^^^Cool... but Ichiban Moto apparently isn't good at proofreading (or it was by design) LOL

Yeah, I’m sure those words are screwed up on purpose, just like the videos are...

[ancientdad]

Yeah, I’m sure those words are screwed up on purpose, just like the videos are...

TBH, I've never watched one of them so I didn't catch the likely intent, but it makes sense!

[12ozPBR]

TBH, I've never watched one of them so I didn't catch the likely intent, but it makes sense!

Dude... how have you made it this far without the helpful Ichiban Moto videos? The man is a genius and has all the sophisticated tools!
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[1969 CL350]

TBH, I've never watched one of them so I didn't catch the likely intent, but it makes sense!

Man, you HAVE to look them up on YouTube and watch a few!

[76Twin]

I LOVE Ichiban Moto videos. So funny.

[ancientdad]

Another one who thinks it's okay. He posted it as if few have heard of the idea, then sadly tries to defend the method.

https://www.reddit.com/r/HondaCB/com...all_you_motor/

[mike in idaho]

Actually, I kind of like the idea of using a piece of tubing to turn the valve stem, I hate fussing around with suction cups that won't stay in place. The part about using the drill motor to turn things is pretty lame. I wonder if he thinks it's going to run decently with the valve seats 1/8th in an inch wide.

[ancientdad]

Hey, in lieu of a proper valve lapping stick I've used tubing as well, but done properly between my palms as I would with the lapping stick. Yeah, it's the drill that changes everything, and no amount of justification about doing it gently, blah blah blah, makes it okay to spin the valve in one direction

[Nick_Brox]

I don’t think that guy would have any problem with the suction cups if the valve face was actually clean. Could always use a little oil or grease to get better suction.

[LongDistanceRider]

Those valve seats are definitely wide low performance versions. Not sure he used enough lapping compound, lol.

[ancientdad]

Those valve seats are definitely wide low performance versions. Not sure he used enough lapping compound, lol.

Nice... LOL

[FrisianWheel]

I don’t think that guy would have any problem with the suction cups if the valve face was actually clean. Could always use a little oil or grease to get better suction.

I think I have the same suction sticks and had problems to make them stay in place as well. My 450 valves have the little dimples which makes it hard for the suction cups to stick. In the end it worked somehow because I was patient. I guess most people don't realize that it's a skill you need to practice.

[ancientdad]

I guess most people don't realize that it's a skill you need to practice.

Trouble is, we're in the instant gratification age where YouTube videos are how people learn because they don't want to be bothered by having to actually read something instructional, followed by the lack of patience caused by the ADHD so many suffer from these days because of the constant multiple information sources flying at them from all (social media) directions so they can't focus for longer than it takes to half-ass the job

[jensen]

The issue's with these advices is that the person in the video can not be hold (financially) responsible for the damage on the bike. As long as anyone can give any advice without consequences, it will getting worse.

[ancientdad]

The issue's with these advices is that the person in the video can not be hold (financially) responsible for the damage on the bike. As long as anyone can give any advice without consequences, it will getting worse.

Yes, from cooking to mechanical work, everyone is an expert these days and they all want you to know it.

[1969 CL350]

My free advice is worth every penny you paid for it.

[ancientdad]

My free advice is worth every penny you paid for it.

Or less depending on the recipient, as someone took issue to me pointing out the truth on the "advice" in the starter clutch repair video on the FB 450 group...

Me:
Driving a chisel between mating surfaces on any engine is not good, and he's trying to save a little work by not removing the front sprocket cover so you bend a brittle wiring harness 180° to lay the cover on the footpeg while risking damage to the stator and neutral switch wiring, and also the hardened grommet around the wiring coming out of the cover. Sometimes doing it the right way takes a little longer but is the smarter way.

Me:
And at the 10:34 mark... "goop the cover up". I don't see the use of any gasket, I sure hope he doesn't just Hondabond the cover without one.

Me:
And finally, he clearly isn't thinking about how long it takes for oil flow to get to the top end, the way he immediately starts revving it well beyond 3000 rpm stone cold.

Justice Schroeder:
He’s also showing guys that don’t know what they’re doing how to down and dirty get it done and if you would like to take your ugly comment somewhere else I would appreciate it

Me:
If you don't care about doing the job correctly or treating the top end of your 450 with care, then that's your choice.

[jensen]

I saw that, my fingers were itching to respond, but it would only make things worse, FB is only for contacts, not for advice. On the 250 / 305 group on FB it's a little bit better, probably because there isn't a decent forum any more. A forum is a channel to get and give advice, but even then I guess only 10%-20% of the members are giving advice, the rest only want to get advice (or cheap parts).

[ancientdad]

I saw that, my fingers were itching to respond, but it would only make things worse, FB is only for contacts, not for advice. On the 250 / 305 group on FB it's a little bit better, probably because there isn't a decent forum any more. A forum is a channel to get and give advice, but even then I guess only 10%-20% of the members are giving advice, the rest only want to get advice (or cheap parts).

I haven't given much advice since joining that group, but to let someone else give bad advice without mentioning what part of the advice isn't good would not be the right thing to do in my opinion, so I had to point it out. The negative response is from a young guy who is a close friend of the "A Motorcycle Nut" guy. And you're right, so many forum members only come around for cheap parts.

[12ozPBR]

I saw that, my fingers were itching to respond, but it would only make things worse, FB is only for contacts, not for advice.

You hit the nail on the head with this statement. A typical FB post for a guy looking for simple advice would be 20 different responses of the “right” way to do something, 10 more saying why all the previous advice is wrong, then another 5 responses of guys showing a picture of the bike they have that is the same model as the OP. All the while this “advice” consists of short, single sentence responses addressing the problem. Oh and at the end of all this there will be one last guy proclaiming that this is why he “loves this FB group because it is so helpful”.
Total, utter madness!
Thank goodness for a place like VHT!

[FrisianWheel]

...Thank goodness for a place like VHT!

Amen to that!

"...5 guys showing a picture of their bike that is the same model as the OP..."

[ancientdad]

"...5 guys showing a picture of their bike that is the same model as the OP..."

And the crazy part about it is he's absolutely correct, he described pretty much how it usually goes on FB... lots of conversation, few correct answers and a bunch of others chiming in for the wrong reasons.

[jensen]

Thank goodness for a place like VHT!

Yes, for the most Honda twins indeed, unfortunately the 250 / 305 forum, the knowledgeable honda305 site was a very nice place, but long gone....
On VHT, the 250 / 305 section is almost empty, and if there is a post, it's probably posted in the wrong place....

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