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johankjellgren

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Hello!
Does your swing arm look like this with the shock fastening?
I am looking for new shocks but they propose shocks with 2 "holes" and I need a "fork".

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Most of our older Hondas have "eye to clevis" shock mounts like that one, but yours is "eye to eye"

Edit: I completely misread your post because your signature says CM400T and I assumed they were eye to eye.


Just ignore me, I shouldn't post about the bikes I know very little about...:rolleyes:
 
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I think it is Eye (top) to Clevis (bottom) as in the pic here:

https://www.partzilla.com/catalog/honda/motorcycle/1981/cm400t-a/rear-shock-absorber

The aftermarket plays fast and loose with shocks. The key metrics for replacement are the Center-to-Center (on the eye and clevis) length, and the stroke length.

For my CM450E, I found most Emgo listings were longer C-to-C length than stock, with an unknown stroke length. Many aftermarket choices are really Emgos, and many are missing that information.
 
I think it is Eye (top) to Clevis (bottom) as in the pic here:

https://www.partzilla.com/catalog/honda/motorcycle/1981/cm400t-a/rear-shock-absorber

The aftermarket plays fast and loose with shocks. The key metrics for replacement are the Center-to-Center (on the eye and clevis) length, and the stroke length.

For my CM450E, I found most Emgo listings were longer C-to-C length than stock, with an unknown stroke length. Many aftermarket choices are really Emgos, and many are missing that information.

Thanks for paying better attention to his post than I did.
 
OK, I had a chance to look at this in more detail. I've recently been shock shopping, and ended up with Hagon's, which are expensive but can be customized to your needs, and I highly recommend. Ikon brand can do the same.

One of the Honda/Showa OEM shock assemblies (52400-447-733) listed for the 81 CM400T is the same as for my 83 CM450. I can't speak for the other ones listed, but here is what I know.

My OEM shock has a Center to Center length of 320 or 321mm, and the stroke length is "over 3 inches" or "more than 77mm."

If you choose a shorter CtC shock, your rear seat will sit a little lower, and you may be able to give up some of that stroke length safely.

If you choose a longer CtC shock, your rear seat will sit a little higher (at least, when not laden with the rider). If the spring rate and/or preload is high enough, you will add some compression but loose some extension. But if the shock has the stock or less stroke length, you may lose a lot of extension, which is not safe. It may not keep the tire on the road coming off of bumps, or on a sudden declivity.

Besides Eye-to-Clevis, Center to Center and Stroke Length, the other factors are Damping, and Spring Rate (and/or Progressive Rates). There is also number of preload stops. The number of preload settings becomes less important if you have a custom spring.

Since I "adventure" on gravel a lot, I got a Hagon 2820 330mm CtC with 80mm (3.15 inch) stroke length. It is custom sprung to my load specs (my weight, passenger weight, gear weight, how often I ride 2-up versus 1-up) with a 4-level or continuous progressive spring. The progressive spring allows for a plush ride over minor bumps while retaining firm control on big bumps.

The Hagon has 20 Damping settings, and the rebound damping is linked to the compression damping. This is a selling point over the Ikon, where one is adjustable and the other not. However I have Ikon's on another Honda, my Valkyrie, and it is a high quality shock that solved the problem of constantly bottoming out.

Before I got the Hagon's I had some $99 shocks, the Common Motor Heavy Duty. They did their job, performance handling was very good, but the ride was unnecessarily harsh. If you weigh 300-400 pounds, it might work better for you!
 
The stock length is 320mm or 12.6 inches. It's the same length as the CB/CL 350 models
Here's a couple of suppliers I've used in the past
https://www.tecbikepartsusa.com/SearchResults.asp?Search=cl350&Submit=
http://www.nichecycle.com/ncs/categ...honda-reproduction-chrome-shocks-360-400.html
Niche also sells 340mm length/13.4"
Both suppliers springs feel good for the weight of the bike unlike many other suppliers.

Just found the TEC shocks are made in the UK https://www.tecbikeparts.com/product/cb250n-cb400n-cb400t-at-tec-shock-absorbers/
 
Most of our older Hondas have "eye to clevis" shock mounts like that one, but yours is "eye to eye"

Edit: I completely misread your post because your signature says CM400T and I assumed they were eye to eye.


Just ignore me, I shouldn't post about the bikes I know very little about...:rolleyes:

well I learned "eye" and "clevis" .. not bad :)
 
The stock length is 320mm or 12.6 inches. It's the same length as the CB/CL 350 models
Here's a couple of suppliers I've used in the past
https://www.tecbikepartsusa.com/SearchResults.asp?Search=cl350&Submit=
http://www.nichecycle.com/ncs/categ...honda-reproduction-chrome-shocks-360-400.html
Niche also sells 340mm length/13.4"
Both suppliers springs feel good for the weight of the bike unlike many other suppliers.

Just found the TEC shocks are made in the UK https://www.tecbikeparts.com/product/cb250n-cb400n-cb400t-at-tec-shock-absorbers/

Jim,have you ever purchased a set of TEC shocks? how was the ride ?
 
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